Dear Avigail, this is an essential response to those who still hold on to "Jewish State has a right to exist", "two-state solution" and "coexistence" myths. I did not know Ramzy was one of them. Perhaps he has a Chomsky-style Western indoctrination or is afraid to speak more clearly so he is not accused of antisemitism and deplatformed.
It is really strange that people who are supposed to know the history of Zionism and the erasure of Palestine still believe that it is all Netanyahu's fault and that it is antisemitic to condemn Zionism as a whole. There are also opinions that "the past is the past" and we must focus on current events and analyze them without connecting them to any events in the past, because suggesting a long-term planning and continuity of atrocities is a "conspiracy theory", or even worse "Jewish conspiracy trope".
Your view, coming from a thinker who has been inside Zionism and experienced its monstrosity and barbarism, is more "radical" and much more honest than the views of those who want "peace". Also other Israeli dissidents who have tasted what Zionism is, are on that side: Miko Peled, Ronnie Barkan, David Sheen, Aaron Turgman, Alon Mizrahi. And yes, sadly, Israel can only be dismantled from outside, in cooperation with Palestinian resistance. We all know how the outside regime change cooperating with local resistance works for evil: it is UK-US regime changes. So finally ONE REGIME CHANGE should be organized FOR THE GOOD: Dismantle Israel. That would create panic in the world Zionism and it would be easier to remove Zionists from power in the West as well.
Right, Avigail, there is no other state on Earth that claims the legitimacy of race-supremacy. Not only Zionists continue the race-science idea that Jews are a race (existing only in white countries, nowhere else, because everywhere else Jews means Judaism) but they also demand that Israel must be recognized as The Jewish State, where only Jews have full human rights.
They now try to make other states follow the suit and ethnically cleanse the Other: Ukraine, Kurds, Baltic States, they wanted the same in Georgia. And what is most bizarre is that the West, so allegedly anti-racist and democratic, cheers on and worships these ethnostates that chase out Russians or Greeks and Roma (Ukraine). Although they would never accept a White State or an Anglo-Saxon or Aryan State on their own soil.
Eastern Europe is a horror of narrow nationalism. The film _Dara iz Jasenovca_ ('Dara from Jasenovac'), about the fascist Croatian Ustaše, gives a perfect illustration in the first few minutes. As the Serbs are being force-marched to a concentration camp, ten-year-old Dara asks her slightly older brother what distinguishes Serbs from Croats. He says that one group makes the (Christian) sign of the cross to the left and the other group to the right. That is a fine illustration of the trifling differences that have been magnified into hard ethnic boundaries justifying genocide. Really, Croats and Serbs are the same people, with the same language, the same culture. Yugoslavia, a strong state, has been broken into seven weak pieces for the sake of stupid, destructive national chauvinism.
The Ukraine is another horror, with open glorification of Nazism, anti-Jewish hatred, openly exalted Russophobia, and other examples of reactionary nationalism in the service of a failed state being used as a cat's-paw by the US. The Baltic states are nearly as bad.
Ethnic exclusivity is wrong everywhere. Maybe the people of Pitcairn Island have the right to keep others out. There are only fifty or so of them, and the island is hardly sought after as a place to live, so this point doesn't matter in practice.
Like others commenting here, to me, these next few lines capture the essence - the root - that go a long way to explain all other derivatives of israeli citizens' (and thus israel's) behaviour :
"They [most israelis] live in pathological fear that Jews are under existential threat of annihilation from the Palestinians. No matter how ludicrous this might appear to outsiders, and how much it flies in the face of the evidence, the average Jewish Israeli believes it with all their heart.
This belief has been fed into people from early childhood and all through life. It is in Israeli society’s very ‘DNA’."
As commenter @LenaBloch said - your writing and analysis is uniquely radical and honest - and in that sense - the only others who parallel that critical meta-awareness of israeli jewish society are Alon Mizrahi and Ori Goldberg. Kudos and thanks.!
If the Zionist entity came out openly and admitted that it was bent on killing or expelling all Palestinians for the sake of a Jewish master race, it would not enjoy nearly so much support. Instead, it claims to be «democratic», «moral», and so on, while perpetrating the most unspeakable crimes.
Probably. I really was referring to the early years of the Zionist entity. We all know exactly what happened as soon as the UN criminally handed most of Palestine over to the Zionists: they weren't satisfied even with that, and immediately they stepped up the genocidal campaign that they had started long before. Still, they felt the need to put a pretty face on the horrific genocidal occupation.
Perhaps the best comparison to Israel is Apartheid South Africa where each government was more right-wing and extreme than its predecessor, until the whole thing collapsed…
As I said, they pick increasingly psychopathic leaders because they want someone to solve their ‘Palestinian problem’. This the most important principle in Israel’s society.
"This belief has been fed into people from early childhood and all through life. It is in Israeli society’s very ‘DNA’. Jewish Israelis think of the Palestinians as they think about the Nazis. This is a powerful belief that has been cultivated and pushed by all of Israel’s Zionist governments on the Left and on the Right."
Of course. What does anyone propose to do about it?
Israel needs to be stopped from the outside. My point isn’t that Israelis should be given therapy, but to emphasise that change will not come from within.
Well, Germans went from chest-thumping "The World Belongs To The Strong" Social Darwinsts to the meek and metrosexual pacifists as soon as they got a visit from The Red Army and decided that this tough guy bully asshole shit ain't nearly so much fun when you are on the receiving end of it.
Zionists love them some Might Is Right, except when they are the victims. Then might is no longer right, but Victim Status Trumps Everything!
Personally, I'm not sure Israel has any goals. The Germans may have had a goal (world domination by the Aryan race). Israel seem a bit different to me. I could be wrong but my impression is that Israelis are allowed to imagine things for themselves, they are encouraged to identify with holocaust as a national content. This does not seem to me to be normal (at all) and so I struggle to think of it as true/genuine internal content.
The conclusion from the above is that Israel has been artificially made for an external specific purpose. To be an “attack dog” for empire but equally important is to imagine itself as Jewish (not Israeli).
Such a content is the perfect recipe for empire: it can enjoy the operations of its attack dog and the nearby sadistic research labs and other money laundry tasks while all such extremely dirty activity is camouflaged as "Jewish" revival. How convenient for empire.
The fact that the Israelis – “the new Jews” - have fallen into this bizarre "lifestyle" is a testimony to the scientific knowhow in the areas of nation-building, public relations and related manipulations on human beings.
So, from this perspective Israel is basically a synthetically-made tool of control and the selective dissemination of violence in a strategic region - with very little other internal meaning, if any, of its own. It must be kept BOTH Crazy -and- “Jewish” – which is basically the story of its entire 77 years.
Most Israelis aren't aware of this imperial role for their "country" as they live within this culture and can't rise above it to imagine that this business is contrived. They accept the narrative almost completely. And you can see why they would believe in it - because it actually works. Empire takes care that it is working and so they believe in the story and identify with it. Of course, such a mega-fraud will create many crazy individuals along the years: in the Israeli army, in Israeli political system, in Israeli society at large, which is pretty sick - after so many years of being immersed in such a long-term experiment. I am convinced that high ranking Israelis are fully aware of it but they would never say anything to this effect.
The rest of us are left to wonder what the f*ck is the meaning of this strange place and why is it stuck in an unfathomable situation for so long. I am sure every country lies to its citizens on a regular basis but nothing so carefully maintained, crazy, cruel and long-lasting(!) as "Israel" has ever existed.
Dear Avigail, this is an essential response to those who still hold on to "Jewish State has a right to exist", "two-state solution" and "coexistence" myths. I did not know Ramzy was one of them. Perhaps he has a Chomsky-style Western indoctrination or is afraid to speak more clearly so he is not accused of antisemitism and deplatformed.
It is really strange that people who are supposed to know the history of Zionism and the erasure of Palestine still believe that it is all Netanyahu's fault and that it is antisemitic to condemn Zionism as a whole. There are also opinions that "the past is the past" and we must focus on current events and analyze them without connecting them to any events in the past, because suggesting a long-term planning and continuity of atrocities is a "conspiracy theory", or even worse "Jewish conspiracy trope".
Your view, coming from a thinker who has been inside Zionism and experienced its monstrosity and barbarism, is more "radical" and much more honest than the views of those who want "peace". Also other Israeli dissidents who have tasted what Zionism is, are on that side: Miko Peled, Ronnie Barkan, David Sheen, Aaron Turgman, Alon Mizrahi. And yes, sadly, Israel can only be dismantled from outside, in cooperation with Palestinian resistance. We all know how the outside regime change cooperating with local resistance works for evil: it is UK-US regime changes. So finally ONE REGIME CHANGE should be organized FOR THE GOOD: Dismantle Israel. That would create panic in the world Zionism and it would be easier to remove Zionists from power in the West as well.
No state has the right to exist. States either exist or do not; right has nothing to do with it. Did the Ottoman Empire have the right to exist?
Even if the Zionist entity had the right to exist, it would not have the right to exist in Palestine.
Or as an exclusively Jewish state, while claiming to be a Western-style ‘democracy’…
Right, Avigail, there is no other state on Earth that claims the legitimacy of race-supremacy. Not only Zionists continue the race-science idea that Jews are a race (existing only in white countries, nowhere else, because everywhere else Jews means Judaism) but they also demand that Israel must be recognized as The Jewish State, where only Jews have full human rights.
They now try to make other states follow the suit and ethnically cleanse the Other: Ukraine, Kurds, Baltic States, they wanted the same in Georgia. And what is most bizarre is that the West, so allegedly anti-racist and democratic, cheers on and worships these ethnostates that chase out Russians or Greeks and Roma (Ukraine). Although they would never accept a White State or an Anglo-Saxon or Aryan State on their own soil.
This is what Zionism has done.
Eastern Europe is a horror of narrow nationalism. The film _Dara iz Jasenovca_ ('Dara from Jasenovac'), about the fascist Croatian Ustaše, gives a perfect illustration in the first few minutes. As the Serbs are being force-marched to a concentration camp, ten-year-old Dara asks her slightly older brother what distinguishes Serbs from Croats. He says that one group makes the (Christian) sign of the cross to the left and the other group to the right. That is a fine illustration of the trifling differences that have been magnified into hard ethnic boundaries justifying genocide. Really, Croats and Serbs are the same people, with the same language, the same culture. Yugoslavia, a strong state, has been broken into seven weak pieces for the sake of stupid, destructive national chauvinism.
The Ukraine is another horror, with open glorification of Nazism, anti-Jewish hatred, openly exalted Russophobia, and other examples of reactionary nationalism in the service of a failed state being used as a cat's-paw by the US. The Baltic states are nearly as bad.
Ethnic exclusivity is wrong everywhere. Maybe the people of Pitcairn Island have the right to keep others out. There are only fifty or so of them, and the island is hardly sought after as a place to live, so this point doesn't matter in practice.
Like others commenting here, to me, these next few lines capture the essence - the root - that go a long way to explain all other derivatives of israeli citizens' (and thus israel's) behaviour :
"They [most israelis] live in pathological fear that Jews are under existential threat of annihilation from the Palestinians. No matter how ludicrous this might appear to outsiders, and how much it flies in the face of the evidence, the average Jewish Israeli believes it with all their heart.
This belief has been fed into people from early childhood and all through life. It is in Israeli society’s very ‘DNA’."
As commenter @LenaBloch said - your writing and analysis is uniquely radical and honest - and in that sense - the only others who parallel that critical meta-awareness of israeli jewish society are Alon Mizrahi and Ori Goldberg. Kudos and thanks.!
Thank you!!
Stark, ruthless analysis that stands as a warning of things yet to come.
Thanks James, and I would very much like to be wrong.
If the Zionist entity came out openly and admitted that it was bent on killing or expelling all Palestinians for the sake of a Jewish master race, it would not enjoy nearly so much support. Instead, it claims to be «democratic», «moral», and so on, while perpetrating the most unspeakable crimes.
In our current climate I don’t believe it would make any difference. Many might even cheer Israel on.
Probably. I really was referring to the early years of the Zionist entity. We all know exactly what happened as soon as the UN criminally handed most of Palestine over to the Zionists: they weren't satisfied even with that, and immediately they stepped up the genocidal campaign that they had started long before. Still, they felt the need to put a pretty face on the horrific genocidal occupation.
Perhaps the best comparison to Israel is Apartheid South Africa where each government was more right-wing and extreme than its predecessor, until the whole thing collapsed…
Recently read that Naftelli Bennet was polling ahead of Netanyahu. A very dangerous politician and a person to fear even more than Netanyahu.
As I said, they pick increasingly psychopathic leaders because they want someone to solve their ‘Palestinian problem’. This the most important principle in Israel’s society.
"This belief has been fed into people from early childhood and all through life. It is in Israeli society’s very ‘DNA’. Jewish Israelis think of the Palestinians as they think about the Nazis. This is a powerful belief that has been cultivated and pushed by all of Israel’s Zionist governments on the Left and on the Right."
Of course. What does anyone propose to do about it?
Israel needs to be stopped from the outside. My point isn’t that Israelis should be given therapy, but to emphasise that change will not come from within.
The Zionist entity was established from the outside (by Britain), and it will be demolished from the outside as well.
Well, Germans went from chest-thumping "The World Belongs To The Strong" Social Darwinsts to the meek and metrosexual pacifists as soon as they got a visit from The Red Army and decided that this tough guy bully asshole shit ain't nearly so much fun when you are on the receiving end of it.
Zionists love them some Might Is Right, except when they are the victims. Then might is no longer right, but Victim Status Trumps Everything!
Personally, I'm not sure Israel has any goals. The Germans may have had a goal (world domination by the Aryan race). Israel seem a bit different to me. I could be wrong but my impression is that Israelis are allowed to imagine things for themselves, they are encouraged to identify with holocaust as a national content. This does not seem to me to be normal (at all) and so I struggle to think of it as true/genuine internal content.
The conclusion from the above is that Israel has been artificially made for an external specific purpose. To be an “attack dog” for empire but equally important is to imagine itself as Jewish (not Israeli).
Such a content is the perfect recipe for empire: it can enjoy the operations of its attack dog and the nearby sadistic research labs and other money laundry tasks while all such extremely dirty activity is camouflaged as "Jewish" revival. How convenient for empire.
The fact that the Israelis – “the new Jews” - have fallen into this bizarre "lifestyle" is a testimony to the scientific knowhow in the areas of nation-building, public relations and related manipulations on human beings.
So, from this perspective Israel is basically a synthetically-made tool of control and the selective dissemination of violence in a strategic region - with very little other internal meaning, if any, of its own. It must be kept BOTH Crazy -and- “Jewish” – which is basically the story of its entire 77 years.
Most Israelis aren't aware of this imperial role for their "country" as they live within this culture and can't rise above it to imagine that this business is contrived. They accept the narrative almost completely. And you can see why they would believe in it - because it actually works. Empire takes care that it is working and so they believe in the story and identify with it. Of course, such a mega-fraud will create many crazy individuals along the years: in the Israeli army, in Israeli political system, in Israeli society at large, which is pretty sick - after so many years of being immersed in such a long-term experiment. I am convinced that high ranking Israelis are fully aware of it but they would never say anything to this effect.
The rest of us are left to wonder what the f*ck is the meaning of this strange place and why is it stuck in an unfathomable situation for so long. I am sure every country lies to its citizens on a regular basis but nothing so carefully maintained, crazy, cruel and long-lasting(!) as "Israel" has ever existed.