Listen to Ilan Pappé’s fascinating and insightful analysis on The Electronic Intifada live-streamed on 21st February 2025 (Pappé's segment ends at 1:12:27)
Thanks for another informative article. Living in a colonial/settler society like Canada I have come to realize that although the genocide in Gaza is obvious to see, we cannot ignore our own history of genocide , ethnic cleansing and racist hatred. When we rightfully condemn Israeli society for supporting and carrying out genocide, without acknowledging our own shameful history of the same crimes, we are being hypocrites. Today in Canada, First Nations make up 5% of the population and yet are 25% of persons incarcerated in Federal prisons showing that structural racism still exists in our society. I’m not trying to downplay the enormity of the current assault on Palestinians by a racist and violent society like Israel. But those of us living in the Americas, Australia and New Zealand have to realize that these crimes are nothing new and have been carried out in our own backyards. Remember it was not too long ago that the Guatemalan government aided, supported and armed by the US massacred 40,000 of its own indigenous people in the mid 1980s. Historically there is nothing unique about what Israel is now doing, and there is nothing unique about the Israelis committing these crimes, it wasn’t too long ago that the same was happening in North America led by Christians from Europe.
I totally agree Malcolm - writing as someone born, brought up and living in one of those historically guilty, and currently complicit, 'Christian' European countries. That's why I feel compelled to do what I can to support Palestine, and all peoples oppressed by settler-colonial states. ❤️🕊️,Dx
Thanks Avigail, though it never feels enough and is nothing compared to what the Palestinians, Lebanese, Syrians, Yemeni, Sudanese, and all the rest have to tolerate every single day... ❤️🕊, Dx
With respect to": "However, they shroud themselves in a veneer of Western liberalism, and seem to suggest that there is a way to make settler-colonialism a bit more enlightened. This pretence of ‘enlightened’ settler-colonialism makes them, in my view, even more contemptible than their religious counterparts, who at least make no secret of their intentions."
The point that I would make here is that they are more deceptive and therefore represent more of a threat to people's moral sensibilities than their religious counterparts.
Zionism is alive and strong in America where it has infiltrated every power structure to some extent of another. I do hope Israel is eliminated from the family of nations, but I do not want its people to enter America as refugees or return as dual citizens.
I don’t blame you for feeling this way. Perhaps with enough arrest warrants issued for warcrimes against soldiers and officers, Israelis would be wary about venturing to other countries especially if they have dual citizenship. If you are a citizen of another country you can be arrested in that country under its own laws, for committing war crimes. I am actually concerned that the US will be in such trouble itself, it won’t be in a position to receive escapees from Israel. I guess we’ll just have to wait and see what happens. In the interview Ilan says that he is not sure when, or exactly how things will happen, but he is 100% sure they will. I agree with him. Both Israel and the US can only go one way.
The truth is there are no real stage to grief. It’s a bit of a myth (see my ‘grief and adjustment to change’ very short book). But you are right nonetheless. It is a comprehensive assault on humanity, or rather on what it means to be human. The problem I have is with all the collaborator who act out of their own fear and self-preservation instead of standing with humanity. Our real problem are not the predators among us (about 20%), but the ‘ordinary’ folks who let them have power, and either side with them, or stand by when they commit predictable atrocities. Humanity may well be a failed species, what will end up going the way of the dinosaurs… I don’t think anything else living on this planet would shed a tear over us, not even dogs who can be so friendly with humans.
The US is self-destructing and so is Israel. My question is and one that Ilan Pappé articulates very well, is how much scorched earth they’d leave behind and how much suffering they will inflict on the way down.
Extremely important article and Pappe interview, for those quite ignorant people who repeat Pappe's words 'Zionists don't believe in God but believe that God promised them the land". I think he changed this opinion already. It is very important to recognize Israel as an upcoming theocracy, no matter how far this Judaism is from Judaism of our friends and the philosophical legends. It is ALSO Judaism, sadly - and that is why Israel is supported and worshiped by nearly every Orthodox community outside of Israel in the West (and in Russia). There is a great schism growing between genocidal supremacist Judaism and Judaism of "don't do to others what you don't wish to be done to yourself".
"Pappé believes we are witnessing the end of an era. However, he thinks we should not put our faith in the present political actors on any side of politics to bring a desirable change. We need to starting looking towards the beginning of a new era, where politics is based on principles that reflect people’s real concerns. Pappé suggests that we are witnessing the collapse of the old colonial order everywhere, not just in Palestine. He believes we must turn this collapse into something positive and has an important message for activists. While our movement is huge—especially since October 2023—it remains fragmented. Pappé urges us to translate our massive protest movements into a powerful and unified movement of "politics from above". As long as we are fragmented, we will fail."
Oh.. I did not realise you were from Israel. Now I’m really curious what your reaction to Stairway to Peace will be as only someone with direct experience can truly assess the viability of solutions. My understanding of the current Zionist mindset is shaped by news and by following people like Yishai Fleisher on YouTube. Your perspective, as a resident and in light of what you know of Ilan’s 2048 vision, would be more informed and maybe comparative offering better scrutiny and critique. I just hope you don’t find it laughable, but if you do, that’s a teaching moment as well and I’ll humbly accept it. Thanks for suggesting this read. I will now go watch the interview.
I was born and raised in Israel, served in the military, like everyone does. I moved to Australia in 1991 when I was 27, renounced my Israeli citizenship in 2001 in protest, and have been an activist ever since. I moved from Australia to the north of Scotland fifteen years ago in 2010. I live and work here and will never set foot back in Israel. I write about my experience in many places including in some of my articles here on Substack. But I also edited a book you might find interesting. It’s called _Beyond Tribal Loyalties: Personal stories of Jewish peace activist_. The first edition was published in 2012, but I have updated it and republished in 2018 with a new introduction and some edits and additions to my own contribution. I bought a kindle edition of your book and look forward to reading it.
For The RC and for everyone: Avigail’s book is excellent! Everyone should have a copy to share with their Jewish friends or family! And for everyone else!
To Pappe's point, we are ending the War on Terror era. But, the bill repealing the war authorization to POTUS contained in the WOT legislation is stuck in a House subcommittee. The Senate already passed it. It needs to pass the House and go to Trump's desk for signature. He will sign it. It's time to end the WOT officially.
I'm guessing the next chapter in the Middle East will be defined by either Nakba or Normalization. The US should be following an Engagement strategy in the region that seeks a balance of power in the region and Normalization for Palestine, Iran, and Israel to the extent it continues to exist. Framing the issue as Nakba puts the question in its proper form by asking about Israel's existence, because that is the real issue, not Palestine. The only question is whether Israel will exist going forward.
Given Trump’s narcissistic personality disorder we should expect to see chaos rather than a new order. None of the traditional concepts would apply for much longer. Nothing Trump says has any value. His only agenda is to play king and feel like he is the centre of the universe. There is and will not be any consistency. He operates not out of any real knowledge but out of bits of data he hears from people around him. For example a mineral deal with Ukraine is ludicrous. Apparently developing mines and extracting minerals can take decades and costs a fortune.
Those who think Ukraine will get some kind of security out of a ‘mineral deal’ with the US, is grossly mistaken. Morel likely, as soon as this so-called ‘deal’ is complete, Putin will intensify his attack on Ukraine. I know he is sitting quietly on the side watching Trump delivering Ukraine to Russia on a silver platter and there will be no mineral deal because Russia will take it all.
Trump’s ‘logic’ or ‘method’ are those of the narcissist. Everything he does is to secure admiration for himself — even if it is in his own mind. He is unreliable and cannot be trusted or attempted to be understood or interpreted using standard geopolitical/economic thinking. The US public have inflicted a huge disaster upon themselves and the unravelling is already well underway. As for Musk, he is a hairbreadth away from a psychotic break (ketamine and cannabis addiction along with being raised by a narcissistic father and a psychopathic mother would do this to a person). When he disappears, Trump will be hapless because he has no concept of how countries are run. The rapid dismantling of the state that Musk has begun will not be easily reversed and the chaos and problems are already there. The whole thing is a sinking ship. The best the rest of the world can do, and needs to do is to stop indulging Trump pretending as if he is a king to seek favours with, and distance itself as far away from the US as possible. And without the US, Israel will become extinct anyway. Both countries are self-destructing and have no one else to blame but themselves. I do feel sorry for all the good people who will be caught up in the storm and all the poor children who have done nothing to deserve the hell that is about to be unleashed.
No Lena, you are thinking Aliya. Tshuvah is repentance. In Hebrew the literal meaning is ‘answer’. But Hazara b’Tshuva, means returning with repentance , which in context means making a return the fold/the religion. Thank you for your previous comment as well.
Nakba is the displacement, occupation, and fragmentation of the state from its sovereignty, territory, resources, and people. The Palestinians have suffered Nakba since 1920. The British held the State of Palestine in trust for the benefit of the Palestinian people, and it was obligated to return it to them after quitting the Mandate in Palestine, but instead it armed the Hagana and fled, allowing al-nakba of 1948. Since then, Israel has maintained an Ongoing Nakba to keep the Palestinians displaced from their sovereignty. It is a continuing harm perpetrated today by Israel, but it goes back to the British Mandate in Palestine and the French Mandate in Syria. France, Britain, Israel, and Israel's allies spent the last century burning down the Arab states.
Nakba is an actionable legal harm. Israel has never paid compensation for the land it took from the State of Palestine for the State of Israel. Israel has never paid reparations for al-nakba or the Ongoing Nakba. Israel owes the Palestinians Trillions of dollars. Based on the relative GDPs, I have calculated Israel's monetary debt to the Palestinians between $1 - $4 Trillion.
Israel is insolvent. The Palestinians do not want to receive compensation in exchange for land. Israel has no right to exist. It holds Palestinian sovereignty in trust for the Palestinians just as Britain did. It holds it from the River to the Sea.
Israel must dissolve and hand over its Treasury to the State of Palestine. The Ashkenazis can live in Palestine as a powerful minority group, or they can leave. That's how this ends and it's the only way it ends.
I have now banned you because I do not tolerate apologists for settler-colonialism and genocide in my spaces. Settler-colonialism does not require the displaced population to be organised as a state. Setter-colonialism means removing a people from an area, taking their land and replacing them with the settler-colonialist’s own people.
Colonial Britain, and France had no business being colonialists in the first place, let alone parcel out land and hand over mandates or not. As for ‘Arabs’ by which you mean Palestinians (But I know in Israel you don’t like to acknowledge Palestinians) ‘not being indigenous to the region’, I was taught this at school too by the same people who taught you. But your confidence in what you think you know is true is misplaced and you need to revise your knowledge instead of holding on to it just because the truth is so uncomfortable. Israel is a criminal state as were/are all the colonial and settler-colonial states before it. Read some Rashid Khalidi, or Ilan Pappé if you have any moral courage, emotional resilience or intellectual honesty. I know how difficult it is for cult members to question their cult, but as someone who was there myself, I know it is possible.
Pappe is optimstic but does he realise that the Rothschilds and UK royals( in terbred) own many world governments who do not do the bidding of the people of their countries but of trillion, billionaire Zionists such as those that meet at thee 'World Economic Forum' annually and arrogantly decide the fate of all human beings and of the planet? Depopulation of the human race is their agenda which they scarcely bother to hide these days so confident are they due to the successes they have such as 'Covid' injections in most people....They own nearly everything which means that despite the desire for peace and international harmony by most, war make vast vast profits and depopulates. I hope that good prevails but so far does not...Optimism is probably not enough on its own...
I understand the human limbic need for a simple explanation of reality, and the need to point the finger at one entity or group to blame everything on. I don’t know what evidence you have about the so-called Rothchild fixation with world domination, but I think your belief is misguided and possibly racist.
Last I looked, neither Trump, the most powerful man on Earth just now, and his helper Musk, the richest man on Earth are Rothchilds... Your counter argument is likely to be that I am naive and that these are just puppets and the real ‘baddies’, the real ‘cabal’ (‘they’) are pulling the strings. But I am pretty sure you will not be able to provide a shred of evidence of this—people’s opinions are not evidence.
I personally believe that blaming others and looking for the bogey man—even when the bogey man is real—to blame for everything, will save humanity. We have always blamed someone, or something, and nothing has ever changes.
We each bear personal responsibility for how the world is. We are making the world what it is. If we put bad people in charge and give power to the wrong people, it’s on us, not on them.
Each one of us has to consider what our own personal role is. Blaming is fun, and can give some relief to our limbic brain, but it changes nothing. In the Middle Ages they blamed the devil for everything. Every generation has its favourite scapegoat/s. The ‘Rothchilds' have been a favourite baddie for decades now.
It’s time for you to take responsibility, don’t you think? What are you doing to make the world a better, more peaceful and safe place for everyone? How are you helping humanity?
Israel and Zionism seem to have come up with a toxic Jewish identity. Not a Jew that has obligations to a specific adherence to religious following. But a sense of Jewishness which you gain from simply being born a Jew. A sense that the world owes you something for simply being a Jew. You can see it in animals with hierarchical social structure: A high ranking infant goes around and harasses low ranking individuals just to practice their superiority and take whatever they want. This vile trait has been absorbed to their 'DNA' and they actually proud of this behaviour. Ugly and revolting beyond words. There is a video - available on YouTube - from 1970 of Uri Zohar and Zvi Schisel from the film "Shablul" - it’s called שיעור בקרטה שבלול (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jE3iWrdTsW4) it is quite telling that they decided to perform it in Yiddish... I have seen it recently and it is hard not to think that Schisel is playing the gullible (Israeli) Jew and Zohar is playing the role of the Israeli state, that takes advantage of the vulnerable and brainwashed... Rather than identifying this toxic identity within Jewish world, rabbis (on the payroll of the state) didn't work to fight and correct this twisted interpretation among followers but actually enhanced this unacceptable mentality, so much so that this has become the typical Jew of today (hence the sense of detached-from-reality CULT that they show). How tragic for Jews to ended up in such a pathetic mess. At a moment of truth, they may laugh it off and admit that they are all crazy (SRUTIM). How do you cure a nation?? This will take generations if it is ever going to heal. It may be that this period is the swan song of Israel, Judaism and the Jewish People. Maybe this is a historic process that has to continue to the bitter end. The world is looking on without understanding it. Frankly, I myself don’t fully understand this collective syndrome.
Thanks for another informative article. Living in a colonial/settler society like Canada I have come to realize that although the genocide in Gaza is obvious to see, we cannot ignore our own history of genocide , ethnic cleansing and racist hatred. When we rightfully condemn Israeli society for supporting and carrying out genocide, without acknowledging our own shameful history of the same crimes, we are being hypocrites. Today in Canada, First Nations make up 5% of the population and yet are 25% of persons incarcerated in Federal prisons showing that structural racism still exists in our society. I’m not trying to downplay the enormity of the current assault on Palestinians by a racist and violent society like Israel. But those of us living in the Americas, Australia and New Zealand have to realize that these crimes are nothing new and have been carried out in our own backyards. Remember it was not too long ago that the Guatemalan government aided, supported and armed by the US massacred 40,000 of its own indigenous people in the mid 1980s. Historically there is nothing unique about what Israel is now doing, and there is nothing unique about the Israelis committing these crimes, it wasn’t too long ago that the same was happening in North America led by Christians from Europe.
I totally agree Malcolm - writing as someone born, brought up and living in one of those historically guilty, and currently complicit, 'Christian' European countries. That's why I feel compelled to do what I can to support Palestine, and all peoples oppressed by settler-colonial states. ❤️🕊️,Dx
And thank you for everything you are doing!! 🙏🏼
Thanks Avigail, though it never feels enough and is nothing compared to what the Palestinians, Lebanese, Syrians, Yemeni, Sudanese, and all the rest have to tolerate every single day... ❤️🕊, Dx
Valuable and important, as always! Many thanks, Avigail.
Thanks Avigail
With respect to": "However, they shroud themselves in a veneer of Western liberalism, and seem to suggest that there is a way to make settler-colonialism a bit more enlightened. This pretence of ‘enlightened’ settler-colonialism makes them, in my view, even more contemptible than their religious counterparts, who at least make no secret of their intentions."
The point that I would make here is that they are more deceptive and therefore represent more of a threat to people's moral sensibilities than their religious counterparts.
Agreed Adam. Please read my old Mondoweiss article on Amos Oz. It’s linked in the text. 🙏🏼
Zionism is alive and strong in America where it has infiltrated every power structure to some extent of another. I do hope Israel is eliminated from the family of nations, but I do not want its people to enter America as refugees or return as dual citizens.
I don’t blame you for feeling this way. Perhaps with enough arrest warrants issued for warcrimes against soldiers and officers, Israelis would be wary about venturing to other countries especially if they have dual citizenship. If you are a citizen of another country you can be arrested in that country under its own laws, for committing war crimes. I am actually concerned that the US will be in such trouble itself, it won’t be in a position to receive escapees from Israel. I guess we’ll just have to wait and see what happens. In the interview Ilan says that he is not sure when, or exactly how things will happen, but he is 100% sure they will. I agree with him. Both Israel and the US can only go one way.
So sad. It's like suffering every stage of the grief process at once.
The truth is there are no real stage to grief. It’s a bit of a myth (see my ‘grief and adjustment to change’ very short book). But you are right nonetheless. It is a comprehensive assault on humanity, or rather on what it means to be human. The problem I have is with all the collaborator who act out of their own fear and self-preservation instead of standing with humanity. Our real problem are not the predators among us (about 20%), but the ‘ordinary’ folks who let them have power, and either side with them, or stand by when they commit predictable atrocities. Humanity may well be a failed species, what will end up going the way of the dinosaurs… I don’t think anything else living on this planet would shed a tear over us, not even dogs who can be so friendly with humans.
The US is self-destructing and so is Israel. My question is and one that Ilan Pappé articulates very well, is how much scorched earth they’d leave behind and how much suffering they will inflict on the way down.
Extremely important article and Pappe interview, for those quite ignorant people who repeat Pappe's words 'Zionists don't believe in God but believe that God promised them the land". I think he changed this opinion already. It is very important to recognize Israel as an upcoming theocracy, no matter how far this Judaism is from Judaism of our friends and the philosophical legends. It is ALSO Judaism, sadly - and that is why Israel is supported and worshiped by nearly every Orthodox community outside of Israel in the West (and in Russia). There is a great schism growing between genocidal supremacist Judaism and Judaism of "don't do to others what you don't wish to be done to yourself".
This rings true to me, Avigail.
"Pappé believes we are witnessing the end of an era. However, he thinks we should not put our faith in the present political actors on any side of politics to bring a desirable change. We need to starting looking towards the beginning of a new era, where politics is based on principles that reflect people’s real concerns. Pappé suggests that we are witnessing the collapse of the old colonial order everywhere, not just in Palestine. He believes we must turn this collapse into something positive and has an important message for activists. While our movement is huge—especially since October 2023—it remains fragmented. Pappé urges us to translate our massive protest movements into a powerful and unified movement of "politics from above". As long as we are fragmented, we will fail."
Oh.. I did not realise you were from Israel. Now I’m really curious what your reaction to Stairway to Peace will be as only someone with direct experience can truly assess the viability of solutions. My understanding of the current Zionist mindset is shaped by news and by following people like Yishai Fleisher on YouTube. Your perspective, as a resident and in light of what you know of Ilan’s 2048 vision, would be more informed and maybe comparative offering better scrutiny and critique. I just hope you don’t find it laughable, but if you do, that’s a teaching moment as well and I’ll humbly accept it. Thanks for suggesting this read. I will now go watch the interview.
I was born and raised in Israel, served in the military, like everyone does. I moved to Australia in 1991 when I was 27, renounced my Israeli citizenship in 2001 in protest, and have been an activist ever since. I moved from Australia to the north of Scotland fifteen years ago in 2010. I live and work here and will never set foot back in Israel. I write about my experience in many places including in some of my articles here on Substack. But I also edited a book you might find interesting. It’s called _Beyond Tribal Loyalties: Personal stories of Jewish peace activist_. The first edition was published in 2012, but I have updated it and republished in 2018 with a new introduction and some edits and additions to my own contribution. I bought a kindle edition of your book and look forward to reading it.
For The RC and for everyone: Avigail’s book is excellent! Everyone should have a copy to share with their Jewish friends or family! And for everyone else!
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yes..they are destroying themselves…it is PAINFUL TO WATCH.
It is, and also disappointing to see how we, human beings, who have such amazing potential so easily succumb to primitive survivalist psychology.
To Pappe's point, we are ending the War on Terror era. But, the bill repealing the war authorization to POTUS contained in the WOT legislation is stuck in a House subcommittee. The Senate already passed it. It needs to pass the House and go to Trump's desk for signature. He will sign it. It's time to end the WOT officially.
I'm guessing the next chapter in the Middle East will be defined by either Nakba or Normalization. The US should be following an Engagement strategy in the region that seeks a balance of power in the region and Normalization for Palestine, Iran, and Israel to the extent it continues to exist. Framing the issue as Nakba puts the question in its proper form by asking about Israel's existence, because that is the real issue, not Palestine. The only question is whether Israel will exist going forward.
Given Trump’s narcissistic personality disorder we should expect to see chaos rather than a new order. None of the traditional concepts would apply for much longer. Nothing Trump says has any value. His only agenda is to play king and feel like he is the centre of the universe. There is and will not be any consistency. He operates not out of any real knowledge but out of bits of data he hears from people around him. For example a mineral deal with Ukraine is ludicrous. Apparently developing mines and extracting minerals can take decades and costs a fortune.
Those who think Ukraine will get some kind of security out of a ‘mineral deal’ with the US, is grossly mistaken. Morel likely, as soon as this so-called ‘deal’ is complete, Putin will intensify his attack on Ukraine. I know he is sitting quietly on the side watching Trump delivering Ukraine to Russia on a silver platter and there will be no mineral deal because Russia will take it all.
Trump’s ‘logic’ or ‘method’ are those of the narcissist. Everything he does is to secure admiration for himself — even if it is in his own mind. He is unreliable and cannot be trusted or attempted to be understood or interpreted using standard geopolitical/economic thinking. The US public have inflicted a huge disaster upon themselves and the unravelling is already well underway. As for Musk, he is a hairbreadth away from a psychotic break (ketamine and cannabis addiction along with being raised by a narcissistic father and a psychopathic mother would do this to a person). When he disappears, Trump will be hapless because he has no concept of how countries are run. The rapid dismantling of the state that Musk has begun will not be easily reversed and the chaos and problems are already there. The whole thing is a sinking ship. The best the rest of the world can do, and needs to do is to stop indulging Trump pretending as if he is a king to seek favours with, and distance itself as far away from the US as possible. And without the US, Israel will become extinct anyway. Both countries are self-destructing and have no one else to blame but themselves. I do feel sorry for all the good people who will be caught up in the storm and all the poor children who have done nothing to deserve the hell that is about to be unleashed.
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Isn't Hazra B'Tshuvah "resettlement"? For those Israeli Jews who are abroad and want to return to Israel? Tshuvah means "settlement", no?
No Lena, you are thinking Aliya. Tshuvah is repentance. In Hebrew the literal meaning is ‘answer’. But Hazara b’Tshuva, means returning with repentance , which in context means making a return the fold/the religion. Thank you for your previous comment as well.
No, I know now, it is called Toshav Hazer, not Hazra b'Tishuvah.
Toshav Hazer is an Israeli Jew living abroad who decided to return to Israel. Aliyah is any Jewish person, not Israeli citizens. I confused.
No worries. Toshav hozer means ‘returning resident’. You spotted the correct verb ‘to return’ (the root is ח.ז.ר).
Nakba is the displacement, occupation, and fragmentation of the state from its sovereignty, territory, resources, and people. The Palestinians have suffered Nakba since 1920. The British held the State of Palestine in trust for the benefit of the Palestinian people, and it was obligated to return it to them after quitting the Mandate in Palestine, but instead it armed the Hagana and fled, allowing al-nakba of 1948. Since then, Israel has maintained an Ongoing Nakba to keep the Palestinians displaced from their sovereignty. It is a continuing harm perpetrated today by Israel, but it goes back to the British Mandate in Palestine and the French Mandate in Syria. France, Britain, Israel, and Israel's allies spent the last century burning down the Arab states.
Nakba is an actionable legal harm. Israel has never paid compensation for the land it took from the State of Palestine for the State of Israel. Israel has never paid reparations for al-nakba or the Ongoing Nakba. Israel owes the Palestinians Trillions of dollars. Based on the relative GDPs, I have calculated Israel's monetary debt to the Palestinians between $1 - $4 Trillion.
Israel is insolvent. The Palestinians do not want to receive compensation in exchange for land. Israel has no right to exist. It holds Palestinian sovereignty in trust for the Palestinians just as Britain did. It holds it from the River to the Sea.
Israel must dissolve and hand over its Treasury to the State of Palestine. The Ashkenazis can live in Palestine as a powerful minority group, or they can leave. That's how this ends and it's the only way it ends.
I have now banned you because I do not tolerate apologists for settler-colonialism and genocide in my spaces. Settler-colonialism does not require the displaced population to be organised as a state. Setter-colonialism means removing a people from an area, taking their land and replacing them with the settler-colonialist’s own people.
Colonial Britain, and France had no business being colonialists in the first place, let alone parcel out land and hand over mandates or not. As for ‘Arabs’ by which you mean Palestinians (But I know in Israel you don’t like to acknowledge Palestinians) ‘not being indigenous to the region’, I was taught this at school too by the same people who taught you. But your confidence in what you think you know is true is misplaced and you need to revise your knowledge instead of holding on to it just because the truth is so uncomfortable. Israel is a criminal state as were/are all the colonial and settler-colonial states before it. Read some Rashid Khalidi, or Ilan Pappé if you have any moral courage, emotional resilience or intellectual honesty. I know how difficult it is for cult members to question their cult, but as someone who was there myself, I know it is possible.
For the ultra finessed ..erudite..consistent..Avigail…** Yes.not maybe..not No….—Yes.
Pappe is optimstic but does he realise that the Rothschilds and UK royals( in terbred) own many world governments who do not do the bidding of the people of their countries but of trillion, billionaire Zionists such as those that meet at thee 'World Economic Forum' annually and arrogantly decide the fate of all human beings and of the planet? Depopulation of the human race is their agenda which they scarcely bother to hide these days so confident are they due to the successes they have such as 'Covid' injections in most people....They own nearly everything which means that despite the desire for peace and international harmony by most, war make vast vast profits and depopulates. I hope that good prevails but so far does not...Optimism is probably not enough on its own...
I understand the human limbic need for a simple explanation of reality, and the need to point the finger at one entity or group to blame everything on. I don’t know what evidence you have about the so-called Rothchild fixation with world domination, but I think your belief is misguided and possibly racist.
Last I looked, neither Trump, the most powerful man on Earth just now, and his helper Musk, the richest man on Earth are Rothchilds... Your counter argument is likely to be that I am naive and that these are just puppets and the real ‘baddies’, the real ‘cabal’ (‘they’) are pulling the strings. But I am pretty sure you will not be able to provide a shred of evidence of this—people’s opinions are not evidence.
I personally believe that blaming others and looking for the bogey man—even when the bogey man is real—to blame for everything, will save humanity. We have always blamed someone, or something, and nothing has ever changes.
We each bear personal responsibility for how the world is. We are making the world what it is. If we put bad people in charge and give power to the wrong people, it’s on us, not on them.
Each one of us has to consider what our own personal role is. Blaming is fun, and can give some relief to our limbic brain, but it changes nothing. In the Middle Ages they blamed the devil for everything. Every generation has its favourite scapegoat/s. The ‘Rothchilds' have been a favourite baddie for decades now.
It’s time for you to take responsibility, don’t you think? What are you doing to make the world a better, more peaceful and safe place for everyone? How are you helping humanity?
Israel and Zionism seem to have come up with a toxic Jewish identity. Not a Jew that has obligations to a specific adherence to religious following. But a sense of Jewishness which you gain from simply being born a Jew. A sense that the world owes you something for simply being a Jew. You can see it in animals with hierarchical social structure: A high ranking infant goes around and harasses low ranking individuals just to practice their superiority and take whatever they want. This vile trait has been absorbed to their 'DNA' and they actually proud of this behaviour. Ugly and revolting beyond words. There is a video - available on YouTube - from 1970 of Uri Zohar and Zvi Schisel from the film "Shablul" - it’s called שיעור בקרטה שבלול (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jE3iWrdTsW4) it is quite telling that they decided to perform it in Yiddish... I have seen it recently and it is hard not to think that Schisel is playing the gullible (Israeli) Jew and Zohar is playing the role of the Israeli state, that takes advantage of the vulnerable and brainwashed... Rather than identifying this toxic identity within Jewish world, rabbis (on the payroll of the state) didn't work to fight and correct this twisted interpretation among followers but actually enhanced this unacceptable mentality, so much so that this has become the typical Jew of today (hence the sense of detached-from-reality CULT that they show). How tragic for Jews to ended up in such a pathetic mess. At a moment of truth, they may laugh it off and admit that they are all crazy (SRUTIM). How do you cure a nation?? This will take generations if it is ever going to heal. It may be that this period is the swan song of Israel, Judaism and the Jewish People. Maybe this is a historic process that has to continue to the bitter end. The world is looking on without understanding it. Frankly, I myself don’t fully understand this collective syndrome.